Some notes on tonight's blogger panel at NYU

Well, it was certainly interesting to meet the faces behind (or rather, hovering over) some of those keyboards. Here are just some random observations.

Ben Smith wasn't there, perhaps because he's out stalking republican Senate candidate whashisname again, on the off-chance that the latter opens his mouth. The results of this will then wind up on the front page of the Daily News.

Scott Sala of Urban Elephants is actually a quite likable – if pronouncedly short – fellow. Seems altogether pleasant.

Certain bloggers really need to work on their verbal brevity.

Others who think newspapers are going away after four hundred years are, frankly, ahistorical to a shocking degree.

Mr. Gur Tsabar is equally pleasant, though what I presume are his republican leanings render him deeply suspect. Just kidding. [Update: Someone emails that to describe Gur as a republican amounts to calumny, since he is, indeed, a Democrat. I guess this particular private joke wasn't all that funny. Apologies.]

Chuck Schumer is wary of The Daily Gotham? What? For the record, I worship Chuck and would argue that he should be cloned. Chuck Schumer kicks serious ass; god alone knows we need, want, must have more people like him. (Cue Atlantic Yards carping from the single-issue, first-Mattera-then-Suozzi-supporting crowd. Two words: blow me.)

To the gentleman shocked that some no-name - Liza, me, whomever - could throw a congressional race, the same two words: blow me.

Andrew Rasiej was there, whom I really would urge to be out and about far more frequently. Most Dems, or many, I should say, are dumb as bricks when it comes to making technology politically relevant. You have a role to play.

I had a bit of a conversation with a pleasant British person, who, after the preliminaries were gotten out of the way, asked me – though out of politeness, one presumes, indirectly - why Americans are such cowards, frightened of anything and everything. That's kind of a sore spot with me, because having lived overseas for a good part of my life, I think it's an essentially accurate observation – we really are big old babies. Here we are, the peer of Rome, ascendant across the globe, clothed in power, and we run screaming from a bunch of goatherds, with the republican party fanning the flames. I sometimes wish we had something like the Blitz in our national background, or Napoleon at Boulogne, to give us some effing backbone; but we don't, simply because ever since a certain other nation laid waste our capital in 1812, we've gone through history largely unmolested by others, and hence are today a big bunch of ninnies, 300 million overstuffed civilians pretending we're engaged in a 'war on terror'.

When we're not shitting ourselves because we just saw a guy in a turban, that is.

This is indeed just ludicrously embarrassing to some of us, dear Briton on your fancy-shmancy NYU scholarship. No, I don't think there's much of a chance that the UK will ever be as cowardly decadent as we are. You have the kind of history that doesn't allow champagne unit deserters into Downing Street, nor blathering idiots to be elected to anything of consequence. Besides, you also have the Germans and those weasely French right next door to keep you alert.

And no, Dave Pollak, I'm not kidding about wanting the actual poll results. Pretty please?

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Blow you?! first we have to

Blow you?! first we have to suffer Chuck and then we have to you suck. god is there no end to this torture?

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Schumer

I am conflicted on Schumer...and it has nothing to do with Atlantic Yards. It has to do with Iraq and accountability. I think Schumer had a prime opportunity, way back when Bush wanted his second payment on the war, to stand up for accountability, but he didn't. Schumer talks big but it seems to me he rolls over way too often. I expected better.

Having said that, while I wouldn't say he kicks ass, he certainly has a presence. I met him once while campaigning for Ferrer and was greatly impressed by his presence. On an philosophical, issues-based, personal level, I don't like Schumer much. But on a gut level I found him, dare I say it, quite Presidential. I am big enough (hey...no short person cracks...Scott Sala and I might gang up on you!) to admit that my personal and issues-based opinions are not those of the bulk of the nation and, unlike my Green friends, I recognize the best we can do nationally is a moderate to conservative Democrat. So I opt for brains and a reasonable agreement with my views...Schumer fits that very well.

For the record, I do NOT get a "Presidential" gut feeling from Hillary. I have the same issues-based problems with her as with Chuck, but have yet to find a compensating aspect to her personality. She still is better than ANY Republican out there these days, but she is also a disappointment. However, part of me would love to see her President because a.) yes, we are ready for a woman President...(why should we have a tougher time with that than, say, Pakistan and Sri Lanka?), b.) she certainly wouldn't make a BAD President, just not, in my opinion, a great one, and c.) the collective apoplexy of the right wing nut cases around the nation should Hillary win could probably fuel the nation's energy needs for decades. That collective right wing horror would be measured in megatons and would be such a pleasure to watch.

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HAHAHAHA

[quote]That collective right wing horror would be measured in megatons and would be such a pleasure to watch.[/quote]

I'd definitely get front row seats for that.


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Or perhaps

...our collective horror when Hillary pulls a Mondale and loses 49 states to some schmuck would render air-conditioning irrelevant for decades.

(Cue Wallner to the contrary)

But seriously, what is it that people have against Schumer? He's done a kick-ass job with the DSCC, he was a leader in the SCOTUS fights, he's been a tower of strength for candidate recruitment, got himself re-elected with 71% of the vote, and still deserves all of our thanks for offing D'Amato. I don't see him running for Prez, but in the Senate, he has been extraordinarily effective and upheld the dignity of the chamber. The Dubai ports fracas? that was Schumer.

I honestly do not get it. It can't all be about Iraq, and even on that, he has roasted the Rs.

Oh well.

mole333's picture

Simple disappointment

I was expecting a much stronger voice against the insanity of Bush et al...didn't get it. Joy and I personally went down to his Manhattan office to challenge him on voting for Bush's $87 billion for the war at the exact time the scale of Bush's lies were coming out. His staff basically tried to fob us off, then was shocked when we stood up to him and demanded to know why Schumer was still planning on voting for the $87 billion with no oversight despite knowning about the lies. We never did get an answer. We expressed dismay that Schumer was not listening to us and we were told that Shcumer had several town hall meetings on the subject...but all of them were upstate. Schumer pretty much ignored his base and I feel often still does.

But...he, like Hillary, has overall a great voting record and for that I am thankful. My very first vote as a voter in New York was for Schumer...and I don't regret it. I am proud that I voted Hillary and Chuck, as well as both California Senators, Feinstein and Boxer, into office. I regert none of those votes even if sometimes some of those Senators disappoint. They were still far better than any of their opponents.

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I don't have anything against him

I was totally taken aback about his "Oh, that blog" comment when I met him. Who knows, maybe he was confusing me with someone else ... BUT. Anthony Weiner knows who we are, we have met several times and the impression that I get ... well, let's just say he has chosen to blog at Room Eight but not here. Given he is Schumer's protege and I have been beating the drum of "Hillary can't win", it would not shock me if he indeed meant what he said.

For the record : I find him and interesingly complex politician. He comes across as liberal on social issues yet, when I see his name across "think tanks" like the Foundation for Defense of Democracies he comes across as a cautiously, yet willing, militaristic kind of guy.

Now, is that good or bad? I don't know. I really don't know. Which is why I respect his work because it is politically complex.

I think the issue is that we here are not part of the fawning groups of "the blogs". We're one more detail they have to keep track in their over-stuffed agendas

Eye-wink


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Possibly

On the other hand, I'd observe that I don't think we're really that ideologically diverse. It does sometimes seem like a race to the left here.

Liza Sabater's picture

No Michael, you blow ME

Laughing out loud

OK, so I talk a lot. I HAVE A LOT TO SAY! Jeezus, there's days when all I do is type and type and not talk to anybody for 6 or 8 hours at a time. Trappist monks have more talking time (and fantastic beer, by the way) than I do.

I have no idea what to do about it. It's just one of those flaws in an otherwise perfect creation.

HA!

As to Americans being a bunch of ninnies : Agreed. As I said last night, if Congress where like Parliament, politics in the US would be so much awesomer. Unfortunately the US got the puritanical rejects, not the hot blooded political animals of old Brittania.

Not that verbal smackdowns a-la-UK Parliament would have averted the war. Blair is Bush's pony after all. But politics would be so much more fun than the staid, unemotionless crap that's aired on C-Span.

Which is why people are starting to get the value of blogs. We have the passion and conviction to be the smackdowners.

As to Andrew Rasiej, he soOoOoOo needs to get his ass in this blog. Pronto! He should do a tour-de-blogs. A blog-hopping techevangelizing event where he posts all over the blogosphere.


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Cheese too

Trappists have great cheese. Don't know much else about them, but great cheese and beer.

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Dude, I am getting such abuse

...on this post. Maybe I was a little bit distempered when writing this, but this is extraordinary.

Heh. Better start writing about the Greens again Smiling .

Liza Sabater's picture

Awwwww

I didn't mean to be mean ... Here, have a cookie


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I predict Hillary's not going to run

I preditt Hillary is not going to run for President after all. I think she is going to look at the race, and realize the dynamics may not work. By that I mean that like it or not, Hillary represents the past, not the future. She and Bill Clinton would be going around talking about what a mess things are, how great things were when they lived in the white house, and lets go set the clocks back. 'Hey everyone lets relive the 90's!" It is going to be too hard for every other candidate to paint her as the voice of the past and themselves as the voice of the future.

Also I've read that her people are seriously spooked by a potential Barack Obama candidacy, because he's going to galvanize the blogosphere and won't be as easy to pinpoint politically as the others. She knew she could run to the left of Mark Warner and to the right of John Kerry, and stake herself more firmly to the center than John Edwards. She knows she can beat all those guys, because she's a bigger star than those guys. Obama is another story. Or Gore if he ran.

Finally, she doesn't know where to on the Iraq war. I read the league of women voters voting guide, where the candidates are asked their views on the Iraq war, and the other senate and congressional candidates all express firm opinions. Hillary on the other hand in her paragraph response does a clear job of dodging the question altogether! She says to refer to other things she's said publicly on the matter. Okay? This won't work in primary season, she can't have it both ways on the war and be nominated.

So I think she's not going to run. She likes being in the Senate, could easily run against Reid for Majority Leader if the Dems take control, and not have to deal with these issues of how to run, where to position herself, and what to say on the war.

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