BACKLASH!!! IND Rebels Against State Convention... (Minorly Updated)
Well, I wasn't going to write about today's meeting of the Independent Neighborhood Democrats. Sure, Brooklyn politics has become a Daily Gotham staple in some ways, but what more can happen at IND that will interest readers?
Well, without much fanfare or contention, this was the most unexpected IND endorsement vote of the year.
First off, the expected results: candidates for Civil Court Judge spoke. I found all three of them sounded very good, very dedicated, very articulate. However, two were declared qualified by the county's independent judicial board and one was not. This, I think, determined the vote almost completely. The two candidates who had been declared qualified won the endorsement. Deana Douglas, who also won the Central Brooklyn Independent Democrats endorsement, won IND's endorsement easily. She combined both excellent qualifications and a qualified status by the independent board. Jacqueline Williams had the least impressive presentation style, but had excellent qualifications. Being a graduate of Yale and, more importantly to a Californian at heart like me, Berkeley, Ms. Williams was clearly qualified and indeed received a qualified status from the independent board and also received the IND endorsement. The third candidate, Robin Sheares, in some ways came off the best with an assured presentation style and considerable confidence. Even when she admitted that she received a "not qualified" status from the independent board, she said it with confidence and assurance! But she received a "not qualified status" for a reason. She is probably an excellent lawyer and would make an excellent judge, but is under investigation for allowing someone from New Jersey to use her address, possibly illegally, to get their kid into a Brooklyn school. Now this is a mixed thing to me. On the one hand, she may have done something illegal, which is not good in a judge. But, on the other hand, someone from New Jersey used her address to send their kid to a Brooklyn school! Well, THAT is something to be proud of! I wonder if it was PS 321...? Congratulations to Deana Douglass and Jackie Williams. To Robin Sheares: I hope your current issues can be cleared up eventually because I did find you impressive and competant.
Now...the other two endorsements were Governor and Attorney General. And BOY were these interesting.
Tom Suozzi spoke to IND. And he spoke amid impressive thunder and lighting outside! At times his points were punctuated by flashes of light and booms of thunder. I liked a great deal of what he said. He definitely got screwed at the State Convention and deserved better. He came off passionate, competent and an excellent candidate...for a Republican. He struck me like Bloomberg--someone who kind of is on the border between Democrat and Republican. He came out solidly against Atlantic Yards and the misues of eminent domain and that is not a Republican stand. But his speech was otherwise almost completely taken from the Republican book of talking points: run like an outsider even if you are an insider, talk about cutting taxes, run as a CEO, denegrate "Bloated Unions." Honestly, I think Suozzi has done wonders in Nassau and I am with Michael Bouldin that he would be DYNAMITE running against King for Congress in that district. If he ran for Congress we'd have a hell of a shot at ousting a nasty Republican who can't even stand up for New York State when it comes to Homeland Security funding with a borderline Republican/Democrat who is competent and passionate. But he isn't running against King. He is running against Spitzer.
Now, I have been a good member of IND in the past, but there is no question that I have been a controversial member recently. Well, I can deal with that. But tonight I spoke with the IND insiders in favor of Spitzer. I described Suozzi as an excellent quasi-Republican who I could respect...but wouldn't like to vote for. I argued, along with Alan Fleishman, Jo Ann Simon, and Joan Millman, for a Spitzer endorsement because we Suozzi was uncomfortably close to a Republican in style.
[UPDATE 1] I should add that one of the main points against Suozzi for club members, and I apologize for leaving this out, was his anti-marriage equality stand. He expressed respect for gay rights in general, supports "civil unions," and supported benefits for gay partners fairly early on. But he is against "gay marriage" for religious reasons. When asked where he stands on choice he came out solidly pro-choice. He was challenged how his religious beliefs seemed more flexible when it came to choice than to gay marriage his answer was to focus on the idea of making abortion safe, legal...and rare. I think his point was that abortion is something where there is a way to respect rights of women while also making abortion rare, a middle way, if you like. He would probably argue that civil unions would be the equivalent "middle way" with marriage equality, but I think most club members see this as more equivalent to "separate but equal."
Three camps argued for Suozzi. One pointed to his excellent record of taking a junk bond district to good standing as a sign of extreme competence. Then there was a horrendous Spitzer strongarming campaign against Suozzi that alienated many, combined with Spitzer never actually bothering to send anyone to talk with the club. Finally, there was the fact that Spitzer pretty much is, in words that upset some, "an asshole" who told activists opposing Atlantic Yards that he "didn't care" about their concerns. Jo Ann Simon pointed out that he DOES care enough to stand against the current Ratner Plan, but I think the basic message was that Spitzer was assuming victory and no longer cared enough for the concerns of actual voters...or even of local Democratic clubs.
[UPDATE 2] Some people remember Jo Ann specifically indicating that Spitzer had stated that he wasn't happy with the existing Ratner Plan but overall solidly supported it. However, some remember her saying that Spitzer solidly supported the plan AS IS and merely was willing to hear out opponants, but wasn't swayed. Since Jo Ann even specifically clarified what she had said this shouldn't be in dispute, but there does seem to be some uncertainty as to her exact words. Sorry if I am misrepresenting her words. I think the jist of what everyone agreed on was that Spitzer DOES support Ratner's plan overall. To what degree he pays attention to opponants (not at all, enough to spend half an hour listening but otherwise ignoring or actually wanting some minor changes) is minor because no one disputes that he is a very solid Ratner supporter. That is not at issue. What was disputed was to what degree he paid attention to voters and community members. The fact that Spitzer never bothered to even send a surrogate to speak to IND perhaps indicates how much he pays attention to the little people as much as anything else.
I supported Spitzer over Suozzi. But, to a collective gasp when it was annouced, Suozzi won the IND endorsement pretty soundly. I think this was a combination of anti-Atlantic Yards new comers who could, for the first time, vote at IND combined with IND old timers who were sickend by the Spitzer strongarm tactics at the State Convention. I, and many IND insiders, were the losers in this, but it DID represent the first solid agreement between some of the newcomers and some of the old timers. And, in all honesty, may well be a needed wakeup call to the State Party.
Then came the Attorney General race. There was a massive anti-Cuomo backlash. Again, Atlantic Yards interests teamed up with a majority of old timers to reject the massive strong arm tactics of the State Party and reject Cuomo. Cuomo, along with King, was rejected on the first ballot. The nasty tactics used at the State Convention were discussed and weighed heavily against Cuomo. People who read my stuff here know that IND insiders and newcomers have just had a massive civil war. But both pretty much agreed that they could not supprot Andrew Cuomo. Backlash time! The State party overplayed its hand and that has united IND to some degree.
On the second ballot Mark Green was eliminated. Let's face it. Green would make a good AG, but no one really likes him. He has been his own worst enemy for years now with temper tantrums and a style that alienates pretty much everyone.
It came down to Denise O'Donnel and Sean Patrick Maloney. Now at this point I was happy. I don't like Green or Cuomo. But I was resigned to either of them. I LIKE both Maloney and O'Donnell. They both strike me as EXTREMELY competent and passionate. They don't come off like "ordering leftovers" as one person put it in reference to Green and Cuomo. They come off fresh and well qualified. Sean comes of the more passionate of the two, with what seems like a brand new passion to fight Atlantic Yards (I intend to write about that later). Denise comes off slightly more solidly qualified that the others. And, according to a recent survey, 70% of lawyers in the state agree that she is the most qualified, State Party be damned. Well, I voted for Maloney through three ballots, though always felt a pull towards O'Donnell. On the second ballot, Maloney almost won, but didn't make the 50% plus one mark. So it went to a third ballot. On that third ballot, Denise O'Donnell won the IND endorsement soundly and I think that is just fantastic. Those who spoke for O'Donnell spoke most elequently and, despite my liking and respect for Maloney, O'Donnell just might well be the most qualified.
IND rebelled against the state party and endorsed Suozzi and O'Donnell. Without all the contentious arguement and infighting that occurred in the last two endorsement votes, IND delivered a surprise. Some of this may have been due to the fact that for the first time, the disenfranchised newcomers could vote and are making themselves felt. But I think a larger factor was the fact that many IND members were pissed at the State Party and it's arrogant, dirty tactics.
To me, this meeting was the first time that newcomers and oldtimers worked well together and I think great things are ahead if they can stay more or less together.





Wow...
With all due respect to the fine people at IND, but they just made themselves completely irrelevant with that Suozzi endorsement. People who hand out endorsements in a fit of pique, which is what they did here, are just plain silly.
As far as a Cuomo backlash is concerned, that's not only possible but likely.
As to the IND newcomers, well, behold the perils of single-issue voters.
Unusual and unexpected
It was a very unusual move for IND and surprised many. But it wasn't mere pique. I don't know if I should say much in detail about what was relayed about the convention, but it was compared UNFAVORABLY to the Clarence Norman machine. Threats were made that pissed off some long-time Dem. faithful. Most of those faithful very solidly spoke out against Cuomo. As I recall, only those who claimed "long term connections" with the Cuomo family spoke in his favor. One of the strongest advocates against a Suozzi endorsement (using the same arguement you are giving) was one of the strongest advocates against Cuomo because of threats made at the convention.
Mark Green was heavily criticized for his hissy fit over the convention. And, well, he has so many hissy fits that it is easy to dismiss them. But from what I heard last night, Green had every reason to be angry as hell. People from Park Slope and Bay Ridge were furious at their treatment at the convention. I would have expected Cuomo to easily get the IND endorsement. I was so dead wrong because I hadn't realized how sleazy the state convention was.
Suozzi totally turned off my wife. I found what he said pretty good, but his exclusive use of Republican talking points raised too many red flags for me. And, a big turn off for many, he's a winker. He'd give people a sleazy looking grin and wink at them. Many people commented that it was a complete turn off. Not that that should rule out supporting someone, but his whole style is kind of summed up in that little quirk.
Having said that, I do think he would be a perfectly good Governor, would be a huge improvement over Pataki, and the State Party deserves a real threat after it's atrotious behavior.
I still support Spitzer simply because I think he probably is the better candidate and he is the winning candidate. But he needs a scare.
single issue voting is a cana
single issue voting is a canard Bouldin. you suggest that Ratnerville opponents are not involved and concerned about other issues, but thats ridiculous. it just happens that the candidates who are right on Ratnerville also happen to be strong on many other other issues, and generally are outside of the putrid machine.
unless your point is that clubs should only endorse front runners (which is your point.) well that sure seems like a single issue to me.
Feh.
Let me guess: the Ratner haters actually went for Suozzi because he opposes late-term abortion. Or because of his less than friendly relations with organized labor. Maybe the Ratner haters have a problem with marriage equality like Tom does. Perhaps they went seamlessly from super-lefto Mattera to mushy-middle Suozzi.
Or, just maybe, they're a bunch of single-issue cranks who judge everything and everyone by their position on a local real estate project.
Suozzi would be a vast improvement over Peter King, in the same way that Bob Casey would be a vast improvement over Santorum. For the gubernatorial, sorry, no, Spitzer is better.
As to Cuomo, who cares? Personally, I don't think he'll win the primary.
IND's good strategic vote
for once I think single issue voting served a club and the public very well. Spitzer is wonderful. Love the guy. But he needs to know that people in Brooklyn are furious about him selling us out to developers. What better signal to our future governor that eminent domain for private gain is unacceptable than finding a super liberal Brooklyn club backing his conservative opponent over the issue!?
If this vote was going to throw the election that would be another story. But its not. Instead this is forcing Spitzer's people to learn a thing or two about Brooklyn. Things like this vote for Souzzi are part of making Spitzer a better governor.
IND endorsements
I'm curious why they didn't do an endorsement in the U.S. Senate race. I imagine IND's numerous Hillary haters would have jumped at the chance to endorse her nominal opponent Jonathan Tasini.
I think IND is showing a strong anti-establishment bias with these endorsements. The thing is that the real purpose of these endorsements should be practical. Are these IND members willing to go out and petition for Suozzi now? Would they petition for Tasini or O'Donnell?
There is much to be said for bucking the establishment, but there is also something to be said for working with the establishment. I see little point in a group like IND endorsing anyone against powerful candidates like Hillary and Spitzer. What happens is that IND, which should be trying to build its organization and its mainstream creds, will now come across to outsiders as a fringe group. You can't always buck the establishment, you need to pick and choose where you do so. Hillary and Spitzer will lead the democrats to a massive landslide victory this fall, there is no point in IND trying to oppose that. Much more of a positive nature for IND and all democrats will come out of their getting elected or re-elected by wide margins, and having IND solidly in their corners. Endorsing fringe candidates is probably best saved for the races where it might actually have a remote chance to make a difference. There was much more of a point in not endorsing Cuomo than in not endorsing Spitzer.
Suozzi and Tassini are not in it to win, they are in it to make names for themselves for future races. IND is only helping their personal agendas if they endorse them at this time. At least O'Donnell is a competitive candidate.
Some corrections
I am not sure the mechanics, but I think statewide races are not on the official petitions carried by IND. So the endorsement doesn't mean those names will be on their petitions. The IND club house will be available to those campaigns, I believe, and members are encouraged to help statewide endorsed candidates. And, I suspect, it looks bad if IND gives nothing to them. But in some ways the endorsement means less than it does to a district specific candidate who really will get on IND petitions.
As to other races, I didn't mention Senate and Comptroller races. I didn't figure they'd be so interesting to people. Hevesi and Hillary did indeed get endorsements, Hevesi with more enthusiasm than Hillary perhaps because of Hevesi's recent pro-2nd Amendment statements. I think those were the only ones I left out. Interestingly, I am pretty sure that these two races were referred to as "uncontested." I could be misremembering...but if I am remembering correctly it is rather a slap in the face to Tasini.
"local real estate project"
"local real estate project"
get a clue Bouldin
Mole: Statewide petitions hav
Mole: Statewide petitions have to be filed in Albany, so they are carried on separate sheet from the local ones; in this case many will be thankful.
Ironically, Suozzi apparently owes his victory to a combine of the clubs most divergent elements, reactionary Buddy Scotto and the self proclaimed "progressives" of DDDB. I pretty much dislike both groups, but am not dipleased with the result. Query: is DeBlasio's hand somewhere in the Scotto action? With Buddy, there is always someone pulling the string; the question is who?
I think Bouldin overstates both Suozzi's conservatism and Spitzer's liberalism. It is Spitzer who favors the deah penalty, and while one can argue that this doesn't matter, as the Assembly will not vote to reinstate capital punishment, the same argument be be made to assuage fears concerning Suozzi's position on late-term abortions; and neither house is passing same-sex marriage anytime soon. Spitzer started out on the party's far right, and even funded a noe-con think tank. He and Suozzi are both canidates of the mushy middle; the onlty difference is who stands where with respect to the powers that be in Albany. As such, Suozzi seems preferable.
Nice reporting job and commentary by all.
IND
Thanks.
I still lean Spitzer...plus if he gets enough momentum there could be coat-tails for State Senate and even for my Sweep NY State attempt, which did great at first but now is bogged down. But I will admit that Suozzi struck a chord and I was kind of pleased with the upset. Though he HAS to stop winking! It was funny how Karen Johnson assumed I was a Suozzi supporter! I think Joan Millman was not surprised by my standing up for Spitzer, but Karen seemed suprised at first. People assume I am always against the majority in IND, which is not true. But I certainly take much blame for their assumption given my recent opposition role.
De Blasio seemed to largely absent himself from the meeting, even though he was supposed to champion an AG candidate. If your speculation about him pulling Scotto's strings, it might make sense for him to keep a distance.
I am mixed on the Death Penality. It is one of my more conservative stands that I am not against it per se. I am against how it is unfairly applied, which amounts to the same thing these days, but with some serious reform I would be reluctantly accepting of it. So that only slightly bothers me about Spitzer.
All moot now as per Denise. S
All moot now as per Denise. She's just doppred out.
Pity
I am genuinely surprised. She is ten times better than Green or Cuomo, in my mind. Well, now it is clearly Maloney for me.
Suozzi
What some IND members might not have thought about at the time is that the REPUBLICAN party wanted Suozzi to run on their ticket. Thats right, late last year George Pataki-- desperately looking for a gubernatorial candidate who is not Bill Weld-- asked Suozzi to consider running as a democrat on the GOP line. You don't of course, have to be a member of that party, to run on that party's line.
Suozzi didn't go for it, presumably because he's really only making this race to put his name out there for future races, and those races would be Democrat races. There wasn't much point therefore for him running on the GOP ticket unless he was actually going to switch parties.
But it speaks volumes about Suozzi that Pataki would have been so comfortable with the idea of him as his successor, running on the GOP ticket. Suozzi is IMO a republican in democrat clothing.
This must be the first time IND and George Pataki both like the same candidate!
Occured to most
I think most were well aware of this. I think I forgot to bring it up when I spoke against Suozzi, but I certainly emphasized his similarities to Republicans and many IND people knew full well what I was talking about.
Apology
Apology for mis-spelling Jo Anne Simon's name. I always thoughht it was spelled with an "e" but noticed on the IND website they left the "e" off. I assumed they had it right. I now find that on her own website she has the "e" and I am sure she knows better than IND.
I should know IND has a spelling problem. From "Roberta's" Rules of Order to "Dean" Douglas running for Civil Court to "Jo Ann Simon," they have almost as many spelling problems as I do!
Sorry Jo Anne.