Identity, Anonymity, Etiquette and the Evolving Internet

At first this was going to be about some local, NY stuff. Then Armando's outing got added on. Now some of the tiffs at My Left Wing are thrown into the mix.

I am not much on Meta-tation. To me the internet is a tool like a screwdriver, and I don't spend too much time considering the workings of a screwdriver when I use it. But events are happening that remind me that the internet is NOT just like a screwdriver so much as a telephone or megaphone and that issues that one would think we had learned long ago seem suddenly to be sweeping through the blogsphere.

In local NYC politics I have gone virtually head to head with a guy who labels himself "Gatemouth." Didn't much like the guy at first. He had attacked some of my work, which I ignored at first. But then he made some accusations (which he later regretted and retracted) against a local politician I am friends with and I jumped on him. Our spat was well noticed in the tiny arena of NYC blogging and ended on a sour note.

Shortly later, some attempts to out his real identity drove Gatemouth into a semi-retirement which, happily I am surprised to find, has left him more time to lurk around my normal stomping grounds of Daily Gotham. Whether in that context we have just gotten to know eachother's work a bit better or he was chastened by the near outing, or I was less grumpy, whatever the reason, since then Gatemouth and I have actually been fairly amicable.

My spat with him led to another spat with another local blogger where I came off the worse. What I did is I attacked Gatemouth for hiding behind his anonymity and using it as an excuse to forgo normal rules of polite discourse. I think I was right to attack him on that in many ways, but my rant came out as an attack on all net anonymity. Enter EnWhySeaWonk who took me to task for it. And rightly so.

Now...despite being wrong, I made some key points that in light of recent events I still stand by.

This weekend I became aware that Armando had been "outed" by a right wing journal who shall remain nameless and that is forcing Armando out of blogging. I have never been a huge fan of Armando, but what I did love to watch is the way he would have following in his wake a very devoted bevy of anti-fans, people who could not help but be fascinated by him and driven to disagree with his every word. I found it quite a tribute to him that so many felt so compelled to attack him. If he wasn't raising some important points, no one would have ever paid attention to him. Right or wrong, his opponents sheer numbers and determination showed Armando had an important role on the net.

What struck me about the outing of Armando and the near outing of Gatemouth is the fact that in both cases the threats were despicable and yet in some ways each of them brought it upon themselves.

Yes...I know. It isn't nice to blame the victim. And that is not my intention. My intention is to look to their situation and learn.

Why do I dislike anonymity on the net? Simple. I like to know who I am talking to. If someone is TOO anonymous, I am suspicious of them. That is my personal feeling, nothing more. I respect people's right to hide their identity, but it bothers me when I am interacting with a non-identity or false-identity. But what is more important is hiding behind a pseudonym in reality does NOT hide our identity, as Armando and Gatemouth found out.

We project our identities into the net with every paragraph we write. Behind the names there are real people. Armando made several blunders that revealed too much of his identity: using his real first name, mentioning his link to dKos, etc. He did these things because, I suspect, ultimately he is not ashamed of his identity, either online or off. So he proudly exposed himself even in anonymity. It was inevitable he would be outed, which does not excuse those who did it for their own purposes.

When you are argumentative, as Gatemouth and Armando are, you challenge your opponents. Some feel that challenge means they must discover you and out you. By hiding and by challenging, a blogger with a high profile makes it likely that someone, someday, will out them or at least come too close. I don't care if people know who I am, so I post personal stuff and use my real name (David Michaelson) whenever it seems appropriate and don't care who knows. That's because I don't really have anything to lose. Those who do are forced to hide at least part of themselves. But they are here because they want to be influencing and discussing things. It is prudent if you are hiding something to keep a low profile. But that is not what gets your words out there in the blogsphere. Armando and Gatemouth would never have been noticed if they had kept a low profile. And I suspect neither of them would want to not be noticed : -)

Rock Hackshaw is another local NYC blogger. I have never had a run in with him and rather like his perspective, though I often disagree with him. He is also considering semi-retirement due to the revelation of personal information, in this case someone else's. He meant well, but it did not work out well.

We are people. Hell we were people before we were an online identity. As people we are complex, error-prone and composed of mixed identities.

On My Left Wing there have been a series of fights that ultimately get down to identity. People are accused of presenting themselves as what they are not. Claiming to be gay when one is "really" straight or a member of a particular minority when one is "really" white, etc. By and large I don't think too many of these accusations of misrepresentation are true except in the fact that we are all multiple identities. I am Jewish. I am atheist. I am related to Paris Hilton. I am related to Henry Rollins. I am a scientist. I am a political activist. I am...I am a mish mash. So are you. When we interact in person, we are presented with the entire mish mash, more or less, of a person. When we write online, we are better able to select the identity we project. So, intentionally or unintentionally, we may be hiding a part of ourselves. In a weak or safe or close moment we occasionally reveal more than usual. In that moment, we open ourselves up to revealing a part of ourselves others may not have seen. Some will out us for it or consider it a contradiction with our more commonly presented identity, etc.

All of these blog difficulties are unconnected. But they have all happened within the last month and all have to do with identity. Who are we? Who are we presenting to others? What are we hiding?

Every word we write has the potential to come back and bite us. In normal conversation, words can be uttered and forgotten. We often misremember and differences in opinion over what was said was common.

Online there is a record. There is no privacy online, though often it seems there is. We should never be surprised when our identity is revealed or challenged on line. It may be done by someone who has ulterior motives, but ultimately, no matter how safe we think we are, we are revealing ourselves online.

I try, and I think mostly succeed, in behaving online much as I would off line. I don't think anyone can use my identity against me online...I think! People have every right to hide their identity if they can. There are many reasons for it. But any time we are hiding something, have to take extra care. I think Armando and Gatemouth spent too much time attacking people given their wariness about their identity. Again, I do not want to excuse those who attacked them. If Gatemouth is right about the individual who attacked him, it is someone who probably has many other sleazy tricks in his past, though also a few excellent actions. And Armando was revealed by one of the bigger bunches of fools out there, in my opinion. But fault is often ours when our identity is revealed or misunderstood.

What is my point? I am not even sure. I think I am just surprised at and trying to make sense of the recent events in the blogsphere, locally and nationally. It's no fun when someone gets threatened, even those whose aggressiveness sometimes seems to invite it, as in the case of Armando and Gatemouth. It is not fun when an online community sees major personalities clash as is happening on My Left Wing. And it is not fun when a well meaning action creates bad feelings, as in the case of Rock Hackshaw.

What is my point? If I have one, it is simply to urge respect and caution. I would also urge openness, but some people have reasons to hide parts of themselves and I should respect that even if I don't feel comfortable with it. Respect: we are communicating with real people, not just with other computers. Caution: everything online is public even if it is private. if nothing else, the Bush administration has removed the concept of privacy from American society...in the name of security, of course. The more we have to hide, the more cautious we should be not only in the facts we reveal online, but what we reveal off line and who we challenge. Nothing profound, I guess, but it really is the main practical lesson I can find coming from the discomfiture of Gatemouth, Armando and Rock Hackshaw, and the fights on My Left Wing. For what it is worth.


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Antid Oto's picture

Why does this seem to be such an acute problem here?

I was intrigued by Liza Sabater's question here a week ago about why blogs in New York do not coordinate much with Democratic politicians (and took up the subject a bit here and again here). To summarize: I am starting to believe that the disjuncture is as much the fault of the bloggers themselves as it is of Democratic politicians. Of course there are flame wars in lots of other blogs, but in Brooklyn we seem to be eating our own a lot more than elsewhere. When two insightful, interesting bloggers declare within a month that they are dropping out because the scene has gotten so abusive/personal, something has gone wrong. I have disagreed with several things Rock and Gate have written, but the level of vitriol they and Ben Smith have attracted in recent weeks is really astounding. It's not just about anonymity and the proper or improper uses thereof. It's also about the fact that right now members of the online New York community can't seem to stop punching one another in the face.


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Here...and not just here

I have observed that Brooklyn politics in particular gets nasty. I have heard stories (unsubstatiated, though I believe them) of intimidation, threats and property damage all in the name of Brooklyn politics.

And this year there is CD-11 which seems to drive everyone insane...though it has been GREAT for bringing readers! I was majorly attacked for awhile. It freaked me out at first, but then I shrugged it off. Ultimately, I made peace with the people who I was at odds with who were worth anything. The others don't matter. But I have nothing to hide as far as I am aware.

But it isn't just here. It is everywhere. My Left Wing is getting heated. The Armando thing may also have scared people. Not sure why it is all coming down now. Better now than November, I guess, but we really should be uniting now to oust as many Repubs as possible nationwide.

But then again, no group fragments better than the left. Maybe we are just seeing that.


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The Armando thing

to be honest, has me confused. And I spent far too much time at dKos trying without success to figure out exactly who was doing what to him. At one point, I came away with the impression that the people who were outing him were doing it to damage his career, at another point it sounded like they were trying to blow his cred with the left blogosphere; all I could get was that there was something about his client list that he really didn't want made public.

However, he's never been what I'd call "deep cover". I narrowly missed meeting him face-to-face, due to scheduling glitches, on at least two occasions that were gatherings of the local dKos community, and he was scheduled to appear on a nationally televised panel at YearlyKos. I'm not sure why one would be comfortable one day with that level of visibility, and vanishing from the Internets the next.

I didn't even know they were throwing pies over at My Left Wing, and maybe I don't want to know. I do hope we're not seeing yet another circular firing squad of the left there.

Are you really related to Paris Hilton?


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Armando and Paris Hilton

I agree that Armando did a lot to "out" himself. Why it was done was probably a combination of simply a blog jumping on a juicy item and trying to damage Armando himself in any way. There was malice in it.

Yes...I am distantly related to the Hiltons. Something like my great-grandmother was the sister or half sister of Paris Hilton's great-great grandmother. I am slightly more related to Henry Rollins, a connection I am much more proud of especially since seeing his great show on IFC Sat. nights at 10 PM. He nails Bush at every opportunity.


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Mark Twain

As Mr. Clemens once said "reports of my death have been greatly exaggerated". Check out Room 8. (No, I didn't do this to embarass Mole; I'm still in semi-retirement, but the topic was just too irresistable).

Your points are well taken, but I just want to make it clear (as I thought I did in my fairwell), that the threats made concerning my purported identity went beyond mere exposure. Plus, as I also made clear, doing this on a regular schedule, while maintaining a quality level I could live with, was just too damned exhausting.

I will not deign to speak for Rock, but, if you read his goodbye, I think it's clear that, while shaken by his faux pas, other factors were at work. He's long been sensitive to criticism, not only of himself, but his friends; in this case, I think the recent Yards posts, especially those critical of Ben Smith, have shaken him.

BTW, if you read Rock'sh few comments on the Yards issue, he, like I, is clearly against the project in its current form. Typically, rather than trying to win him over all the way, the DDDB types responded to his constructive and polite criticism by savaging him as well.


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I think you spend too much time reacting

If you are against it, that is your stand and you should focus on it. Instead you spend more time criticizing DDDB than you do criticizing Ratner and you come off more pro-Ratner than you probably intend. DDDB has been the primary opposition to AY, so that makes them important. But if you don't like how they go about it, express your opposition in your own way. I am not against Yassky for racial reasons. I am for Chris for non-racial reasons. So I focus on those and try to avoid the racial discussions...to some degree. Make the issue your own if you don't like how the current opposition is handling it. Isn't that what we are here for? Maybe we all respond to much and generate too few thoughts of our own.

I am finding it hard to tease apart three issue in blogs these days that aren't obviously connected, but are certainly overlapping in practice: anonymity, identity and civility. Your "demise" and Rock's discomfort were notable to me, but, with all due respect, not so disturbing in themselves. But suddenly I was watching huge blow ups over identity and anonymity cropping up everywhere, with civility mixed in. In some ways this all just is mixed up in my head because it is happening all at once. But it really also seems that it comes down to one issue: identity. Who are we online? How does that relate to our "real" identity? How private is either one? Many of the most uncivil attacks, at least on some blogs, have been regarding who can legitimately claim a particular identity. Hell, that even enters into the CD-11 race, in some ways, and the statements of Goldstein (not to mention some Ratner fans) regarding race.

Why is this all happening now? Am I merely seeing many separate incidents that are truely separate? Or am I seeing a series of incidents that connect on some conceptual level and we are seeing a shake up of how things work in the blogsphere?


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I think all us doing this are

I think all us doing this are pioneering in unexplored terrain. Your broad conceptual thing may be a brilliant insight, a crock of shit, or a mixture of each. If you feel it, go with it; put it together and get it out there and see how it does when exposed to critical comment. Frankly, I think it would be useful even to those who blog from viewpoints far from ours, because in a way, we are all a band of brothers and sisters, and I think this stuff demands further exploration.

I also think that novel juxtupusition is neat, as well as mind opening. As you well know, I overburden my writing with cultural references, because I think politics and culture are ultimately inseparble (and because it reads better and contributes to both understanding and confusion).

But, Mole, I am curious. As an anti-machine process liberal, doesn't what Owens called for at the press connference (see my piece) disturb you? If Chris is really a reformer, is he not obligated to repudiate these remarks? I've been looking forward to seeing your comments, as well as Bouldin's (you can comment either here or on Room Cool


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Short answer now...maybe longer later

My short answers are that a.) if Yassky is really a progressive shouldn't he be above the political calculus he is making? and b.) I am sick of the race issue. This campaign was never about race to me nor will it ever except in a peripheral way. I know it is about race to some. Great. I understand why and am sympathetic. Let them argue that side. To me Yassky's racial calculus is morally disappointing and stratgically bad for him and for the Democratic Party. But it isn't the deciding issue. I said my opinion best in my diary the Wonk and the Preacher. At least it was my best if the comments from the many players in the game are any indication. Any racial issues are secondary or even tertiary to the fact that I think Chris is by far the best candidate to articulate and deliver a progressive message. I also am sick of racial issues coming up in the Atlantic Yards fight. Ratner's side started that but somehow Daniel Goldstein's version of it got more attention. Even more than in the CD-11 race, the issues surrounding AY cut across racial divisions.

I might, despite being sick of it, write something on this. My wife and I somewhat disagree on the race issue. I think it is minor. She gives it more weight. She was furious at the NY Times article and wrote an excellent letter in response. If they don't print it, I may use it here and use it as a chance to answer your question in more detail. But for now, to borrow Bouldin's borrowing of "my people's" term, Feh!


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