Adventures in Petitioning

Joy and I had been lagging a bit in our petitioning efforts since I had been out of town for a conference. We had, with an IND friend, petitioned to qualify for County Committee (our petitions included Assemblywoman Joan Millman and our district leaders as well), and did a little petitioning for Chris Owens. But given the amount I nag people about petitioning, I can't say I had lived up to my nagging.

This last weekend, though, we got together with a DFNYC/CBID friend and carried petitions for Bill Batson and Chris Owens, my two favorite local candidates this year.

On one day we opted to petition in enemy territory. Noticing David Yassky's campaign HQ was empty at the time, we decided to do some petitioning along that block of Flatbush. Somehow it felt right getting signitures for Chris right in front of David's HQ. I have to say the response was pretty good.

But we didn't want to be obnoxious, so once Yassky's people started arriving, we moved on...to Ratner land.

We petitioned in front of Pathmark. Response was okay but not great. The most interesting response, though, was from Ratner's employees. We were infomed (politely) that we couldn't petition there. Maybe they didn't like my DDDB T-shirt. When I told them that city law allows me to petition in a public place I was informed that Ratner owned the whole area (this was on the sidewalk along Atlantic Ave) and that he was the "biggest guy around." When I said he wasn't above the law, the employee wanted to argue, though reluctantly admitted that the law might apply to Ratner. Finally I told him that I didn't want a problem so I would check with the police. He backed off and called his supervisor...who said I was within my rights to petition along Atlantic Avenue. The Ratner employee was very polite and apologized, but it was very typical that there seemed doubt that the law applied to Ratner. Let's face it, Bloomberg and Pataki have exempted him from so many State and Local laws that it is no wonder Ratner and his people might view him as being above the law.

Joy and I petitioned some more for Bill and Chris in Prospect Heights the next day. I know most people perfer petitioning in a crowded area, but we actually found petitioning along streets like Sterling were much more productive. It took us no time to beat our previous day's number of signitures. We found the response very interesting. With only one or two exceptions, black residents were VERY enthusiastic, saying they knew Major and Chris Owens and loved them and thanking us for petitioning. About half of white residents were similarly enthusiastic about Chris, but the other half were hostile to him and complained about Major Owens never doing anything. When I petition I don't argue, so I didn't point out that Major isn't running. But it is interesting that race really does seem to matter. Or, at least, the attitudes towards both Major Owens and Chris are split partly along racial lines. Those whites who were enthusiastic about Chris were those who struck me as most liberal, not surprisingly.

Sterling was prime petitioning territory for Chris. But St. John's Place was a bit more strange. That is where we ran into the crazies. We first ran into a Caribbean man who had some very odd theories. His basic point was dead on: that blacks in America still have no voice and, in fact, most people in general are kept powerless by those who have money. I disagreed with his reaction to this powerlessness: that it isn't worth doing anything political. The basis for his theories were odd in the extreme. He had an odd mix of racial and anti-Semetic stereotypes, often having to do with ideas of penis size and loose America women. But his feeling of powerlessness I think reveals real problems in our society.

The other crazy also had a good basic point though based on odd ideas. His main point was that Chris is failing to convey to the voters any actual record of accompllishment. Chris needs to show he has DONE stuff for the community. Knowing Chris, I thought this was unfair, but when I looked over the Chris Owens campaign literature I had to give out, I had to agree that there were good ideas but no presentation of Chris' accomplishments for the community. Clarke and Yassky tout their accomplishments to the point of gross exaggeration. Chris needs to counter this, is this guy's point. Is he right? It almost doesn't matter. What matters is the perception among voters. Chris ideally needs to get out there and convince voters that he can deliver for them. He may well be doing this, but his campaign literature may not be conveying it enough.

Finally, very few people had heard of Bill Batson. I was discussing this with other activists and our view is that Bill could win this race with some ease if he gets out and meets people. Hakeem, his main rival, does not have a warm personality. Whatever his strong points, Hakeem's demeanor is off-putting. So he would not benefit as much from getting out and knocking on doors and meeting people. But Bill would. Bill Batson will win if he gets out and meets the district. I will say that the few people who had heard of Bill had a very positive impression. Which only re-enforces my view that Bill needs to be out on the street more.

Petitioning is winding down, though there is still about a week left. Next stop...the primary!


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Bill has been out and about

Bill has been out and about for months now, with about 2 months left I am sure he will be even MORE out and about. the name recogognition will come, then its all GOTV and on to victory for Batson for Brooklyn.

http://www.batsonforBrooklyn.com


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Good!

I really think he has a shot if he gets out there enough!


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has a shot? Bill will win.

has a shot? Bill will win. btw, the Times on monday called Bill the challenger to Hakeem. when there is an open seat, there is no challengers. this is not Hakeem's seat. Its an open seat.


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Hakeem as insider?

I think that reflects the fact that Hakeem is seen as the closest to an "insider" this race has. And NYC sure loves their insiders. I agree with you that this is another example of sloppy reporting by the Times.

And I sure hope Bill wins! Hakeem doesn't seem nearly as passionate or community-oriented as Bill Batson. I gather that Hakeem has a loyal following, but he is so clearly a politician. Batson is coming from the community with real community interests at the forefront of his agenda. Batson's background on Community Board 8 is encouraging as well since he hasn't just sat back on the board doing nothing but has been pushing hard for fire safety, more aggressive investigations of the peak of suspicious fires in Brooklyn (which have killed people!) and saner, more community-focused development than is favored by Bloomberg and Markoqitz.


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Wouldn't Freddie Hamilton be

Wouldn't Freddie Hamilton be the insider? Did she drop out? No one seems to mention her anymore.


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Hamilton

Very nice woman. I have talked with her and liked her. But I don't really think she is much of a contender. Nor do I see her standing up much in Albany.

The machine seem to be weakly considering Hakeem, though mostly seem like they are keeping out of it. They want to back winners and they don't seem convinced that he is a winner.


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Question

Why is a Pathmark employee a Ratner employee? I'm no fan of Ratner but you weaken your own arguments when you villify low level employees by pretending they are some nefarious Ratner stooge. If you want to play journalist at least act like one and present the facts.


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I Await Your Apology

No. I don't weaken my own arguement nor do I pretend anything. You are misrepresenting several aspects of my article.

First, I never vilified the gentleman. I emphasize that he was polite and even apologized afterwards. Our discussion was, as I portrayed, calm and friendly. I represent what he said accurately. If that is what you think is vilifying, then your beef is with him for expressing the near-omnipotence of Ratner.

Second, I never said he was a Pathmark employee. Pathmark is part of a mall. The mall is owned by Ratner. The gentleman was, I gather from what another employee said, connected with the mall security. The employee referred to his supervisor, who was in charge of security at the mall, and said "Ratner owns all of this." So HE identified himself as a Ratner employee.

Therefore, my description was accurate and your comment is what is inacurate. I await your apology.


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I'm sorry you're such a

I'm sorry you're such a tool.


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In what way?

I gave an accurate description of what happened, including the fact that the employee was employed by Ratner, who owns the mall. I described how polite the employee was.

You accused me of misrepresenting the employee and vilifying him. You were wrong and I called you on it. Don't be mad because you were wrong. Be mature and admit it.


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